what do think guy's?for me it would have to be jimi hendrix "all along the watchtower" and when they end their earthly course, led zeppelin's "stairway to heaven"any other good songs?
pandorasbox1914 forty years ago, when I was a teenage JW, I thought that Stairway to Heaven was a cryptic song referring to the Watchtower organization. I interpreted the line "Buying the stairway to heaven" as referring to their belief that you can buy salvation with works.
Those brothers I mentioned this to thought I was crazy. Guess I was.
Kandrea, your 2015 Watchtower Library Spanish edition's link shows an error message.
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this is interesting, jw's go to the door of a biblical scholar, a professor in theology i believe, and he invites them in and records the whole conversation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpo43bgdbm.
freeman:
There are at least two persons that existed before time even began. John 1:1
In the beginning the Word was. In the Greek en arche en ho logos it is saying that before time began, already existing was the Word. Never mind the God, “a god” nonsense of the witnesses, the Word who they openly acknowledge is the pre-human Jesus, has no beginning, lives in eternity, before time even began.
While I don't believe in the JW interpretation of things I must say that John 1:1 does not contradict an Arian position. It says that the Word was in the beginning not before it. If Jesus was created and created before the angels then his creation would have marked the beginning of time. Before his creation God would have been living in timelessness or eternity.
this is what happens when people take faith seriously....
another move to ban child marriages in pakistan has fallen at the first hurdle.
the bill to prohibit underage marriages has been withdrawn after the council of islamic ideology (cii) declared it un-islamic...and ‘blasphemous’... in may 2014, amid severe criticism from various quarters, the council had endorsed its earlier ruling that girls as young as nine years old were eligible to be married “if the signs of puberty are visible”.....
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out." - Mark 9:43 New International Version
i was always fascinated by it.
as a kid, i used to go to the local library and secretly read books by so called apostates.
later, i would sneak into christian book stores and quickly buy a book or two.
The first time was right after I got baptized. It was at a district assembly and I was riding on a school bus full of JWs. As we were leaving there was a group of people waving literature and trying to get the bus to stop. The driver stopped out of curiosity to see what they were doing. I reached out through the window of the bus as the group was eager to hand me what appeared to be a Watchtower. Upon closer look at the look alike tract I saw that the title was "Not the Watchtower". It was full of quotations from the real Watchtower heavily underlined to emphasize the point. I didn't really read it but it was my first experience with anti-cult evangelicals who used to go to our assemblies.
The passengers quickly figured out that it was apostate material and were excitedly urging me not to read it.
Sometime years later I went to a 'Christian' bookstore and bought William Schnell's 30 Years a Watchtower Slave. I remember being so afraid of it that I ripped off the front covers and hid it even though I was living with my mother who was not a JW. I wasn't too impressed by that book but it was my first careful look inside of the "opposition".
i have read both of franz' books and am almost done carl jonsson's first book.
i was able to get this material as .pdf and read for free.. i hate to sound cheap, but i cannot find the sign of the times in .pdf.. does anybody have a link to it?
or can i borrow your copy and mail it back when done?.
Welcome to the forum Anon.
I don't know about Sign of the Times but Carl Olof Jonson's book The Gentile Times Reconsidered is an excellent book on the subject and is available in pdf here.
speaking in rome two days ago kerry said;.
“daesh is in fact nothing more than a mixture of killers, of kidnappers, of criminals, of thugs, of adventurers, of smugglers and thieves,” he declared using the arabic acronym for the isis group.. “and they are also above all apostates, people who have hijacked a great religion and lie about its real meaning and lie about its purpose and deceive people in order to fight for their purposes.”.
source.. it seems like religious folk, irrespective of denomination, can only ever conceive of apostasy as a negative thing.
in the last few weeks it seems that instead of one or two new posters a week we seem to be getting several every day.
many seem to be long time jw's who are troubled by the path of the organisation.
this is really encouraging to those of us who have been here sometime.. welcome!
sowhatnow: "we all want to know how many new people are coming on."
You can go to the forum's users page up above and see how many new ones there are. As of this moment there are 10 newbies that have signed up since yesterday.
this is my first post.
i never dreamed i'd be on a site like this.
i was baptized 43 years ago and pretty much have done and seen it all.
